ACCOUNT, Find It is the first course in the progression to Yamaha Master Marine Tech status. This course is a Yamaha factory certification program in Yamaha outboard engines. If a motor has too much fuel to get the cylinders to fire properly, it does not help any at all to add more fuel. Lighting, Marine Teak Checked the wires and fastened them, problem immediately went away. pime start on the 3 cyl motors is fully automatic. Covered in the course are: (1) Boating Basics, (2) Materials, Common Parts & Tools, (3) Electrical, (4) Outboard Ignition Systems, (5) Fuel Systems, (6) Powerheads, (7) Lubrication, (8) Drive Unit, (9) Propellers, (10) Brackets, (11) Corrosion, and (12) Rigging. Seats, Pontoon Boat Seats & by gabeskillzz05 21 Jun 2015, 10:05, All site content Copyright 2006 - var year=new Date(); year=year.getYear(); if (year<1900) year+=1900; document.write(year); TinBoats.net, Aero style developed for phpBB Terminals, Marine Fuse Blocks & Was able to switch red lever to normal after starting and letting idle a few seconds. Vinyl, Floating Boat Bilge Pumps, Shop Furniture, Boat Seat Pedestals & profile | register | author help. Of course the newer Fuel Injected motors wouldn't use a Prime Start. Manufacturer, Boat Tables & Boat, Sell A Prime start system enriches the fuel to all cylinders at cold start. I had the same issue with a smaller motor that would start and idle fine, but then had a serious miss around the mid-range. Covers, Boat Cover I could not get it to idle without the fast idle lever up a little. Communication, Auto Pilot I changed the body part of the EES that the check valves are. Deals, Camping & RV Savers, Boat Trailer Guides & Deals, Paint & Maintenance The manual valve does have a detent, so it clicks closed, but it's not a very strong one. Regardless, I set the lever to normal and it solved my problem. & Software, Digital ONCE I DO THAT, IT SEEMS TO START FINE IN THE NORMAL POSITION. Galley, Barbeque I HAVE NOT HAD IT IN THE WATER, JUST ON THE MUFFS. SORRY, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS "IS HAVING TO START WITH EMERGENCY ENRICHMENT LEVER IN EMERGENCY NORMAL". Fenders, Boat Trailer Waxes, Boat Cleaning I will start new post. Towers, Tow Ropes & Hardware, Boat Cabin The top part of the middle carb was bad dirty kinda like a dark caramel film all in it? Plumbing, Fresh Water Boat Battery Charger, Marine Audio & Copyright 2019 IBOATS. In a nutshell, the enrichment setting keeps you from killing your battery trying to start a motor with carb problems- or from ****ing your arm off with a pull starter! Took the cowl off and noticed the emergency enrichment lever was set to on. Hitches, & Deals, Electronics Tubes, Shop If I tighten the nut up all the way the check valve up about an 8th of an inch. Covers, Boat Seat I think it happens frequently, at least that's my inference, as he seemed to be very familiar with the cause and effect of the enrichment valve being open. The "normal' is the automatic setting, the "on/off" is to activate it if it's somehow disabledit's solenoid is electrically actuated. Caulking, Marine Engine Handles, Life Jackets & Parts, Sacrificial Anodes & ASIDE: My expert OMC mechanic diagnosed this condition over the telephone immediately when I described to him the circumstances and the engine behavior. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. need to clean the carbs and enrichment system . One way to rule out if your loosing fire on the #2 cylinder is to hook a timing light to it. Jacks, Boat Trailer Brakes & Not sure how well this would work on a prop motor but it works for jets. All, Anchor & All times are GMT-5. & Dock, Anchor Chains & Leave the boat hooked to the trailer and trim the motor up some and have someone give it gas while you watch to see if the timing light starts missing or not. Good Luck! Protection, Ladders, Steps, & Sea foam, rebuild fuel pump, new hoses and primer bulb, or did I miss something on carb clean? Riptide Terrova 80 Trolling Motor w/i-Pilot & Bluetooth, Inflatable Ventilation, Interior & Cabin Systems, Marine Plumbing Platforms, Slide GPS Chartplotter and Fish Finder Combo, Find Transom Accessories, Electronic Navigation Directory | I'm not sure if they should look the same. Well I have all the carbs pulled apart, these things look spotless inside so I don't have too much hope that this is going to resolve anything but it is nice to learn how to do it. Had a guy a few weeks ago thinking he had fuel pump problems checked it with the light and turned out to be bad power pack. Galley, Covers and Cleaned all the bowls and blew out all the holes. Can I soak the entire carb in carb cleaner with the butterly valve installed? Trolling Motors, Shop You are using an out of date browser. Charts & If you follow the fuel hose from prime start enrichment system, it hits the manifold behind the carbs that is cross drilled to each cylinder intakes. Hardware, Boat Trailer Winches, Shop I had to back off the nut a little bit on the "in" check valve to get it closer to sealing. Kits, Seadog Stainless Steel Cup Biminis, Paint and Accessories, Marine DC Power Plugs Maintenance, Fiberglass & Epoxy Parts, Inflatable I only took out and cleaned two jets. Outboard Dimensions (F6Amh, F6Bmh, F8Cmh), Outboard Dimensions (F6Amh/F6Mh, F8Cmh/F8Mh), Adjusting the Shift Control Cable (Long Handle of F6Amh/F6Mh, F8Cmh/F8Mh), Adjusting the Throttle Control Cables (F6Amh/F6Mh, F6Bmh, F8Cmh/F8Mh), Adjusting the Throttle Control Cable (F8Cw), Adjusting the Throttle Axle Link (F6Amh/F6Mh, F6Bmh, F8Cmh/F8Mh), Adjusting the Start-In-Gear Protection Device, Removing/Installing the Fuel Joint, Fuel Filter and Fuel Pump, Removing/Installing the Intake System (F6Amh/F6Mh, F6Bmh, F8Cmh/F8Mh), Removing/Installing the Intake System (F8Cw), Adjusting the Fuel Enrichment Solenoid (F8Cw), Disassembling/Assembling the Fuel Enrichment Solenoid, Disassembling/Assembling the Manual Starter, Disconnecting/Connecting the Electrical Leads, Disconnecting/Connecting the Electrical Leads (F8Cw), Disconnecting/Connecting the Cables and Hose, Disconnecting/Connecting the Cables and Hose (F8Cw), Removing/Installing the Left Side Electrical Components 1 (F8Cw), Removing/Installing the Left Side Electrical Components 2 (F8Cw), Removing/Installing the Thermostat, Timing Belt and Gears, Removing/Installing the Anode and Exhaust Cover, Removing/Installing the Cylinder Head and Oil Pump, Removing/Installing the Camshaft and Valves, Removing/Installing the Crankshaft, Piston and Cylinder Body, Disassembling/Assembling the Piston and Connecting Rod, Calculating the Piston-To-Cylinder Clearance, Checking the Crankshaft-Plain Bearing Oil Clearance, Checking the Crankshaft-Connecting Rod Oil Clearance, Removing/Installing the Lower Unit (Standard Propeller), Removing/Installing the Lower Unit (Dual Thrust Propeller) (F8Cw), Checking the Water Pump Housing, Cartridge Insert and Impeller, Installing the Cartridge Insert and Water Pump Housing, Installing the Propeller Shaft Housing Assembly, Disassembling/Assembling the Propeller Shaft Assembly, Disassembling/Assembling the Propeller Shaft Housing Assembly, Disassembling the Propeller Shaft Housing Assembly, Assembling the Propeller Shaft Housing Assembly, Removing/Installing the Drive Shaft and Forward Gear, Removing/Installing the Bearing Housing, Shift Cam and Lower Case, Disassembling/Assembling the Steering Handle, Removing/Installing the Bottom Cowling (F6Mh, F8Mh), Removing/Installing the Swivel and Steering Bracket, Disassembling/Assembling the Swivel Bracket, Checking the Spark Plug Caps and Ignition Coil, Disassembling/Assembling the Starter Motor, Checking the Rectifier and Rectifier/Regulator, Uncrating Procedure (For Typical Steel Frame), Standard, Dual Thrust & Weedless Propellers, Multi-Function Tiller Handle Kit (For Us), Multi-Function Tiller Handle Kit (For Japan), Multi-Function Tiller Handle Contents (For Others), Coolant Press. by gabeskillzz05 14 Jun 2015, 20:24, Post As it gets to a certain spot, the bared wires can make contact with the block, causing a short. If this is your first visit, be sure to The only thing I have not changed is the body where the check valves are. Deals, Dealer & Live Bait Axles, Boat Trailer Tie Plumbing, Anchor Started and idled fine, but would die past 1/4 throttle. Post I have the metal parts soaking in a can of berrymans right now. Sender And/Or Coolant Temp. search | FAQ | Alright, I can probably handle the carb cleaning, but what is the enrichment system? Thanks for the replies. No misfire at all anymore, Jon and V boat Conversions and Modifications, Fishing Clubs (Electric Only, Jon, Regular), 89 Bass Tracker Pro17 w/ '92 Johnson 60/70 - Complete Rebuild, 87 Bluefin Sportsman 1700 w/ Evinrude 88 - Complete Rebuild. I rigged the motor, took it out for a water test and couldn't get more than 1/4 throttle without the motor bogging out and dying. Pumps, Livewell Aerator Pumps I am no fuel system expert by any means. Video, GPS Chartplotters & Let's say that check valve is the issue. It has been setting up awhile. Helm Seats, Shop Sender Installation (For 2-Stroke Models), Coolant Press. if you have good spark, id start with the carb. Accessories, Pontoon Bimini Telescopes, Covers and Honda 5hp Outboard, Boat Covers, Boat Wiring & I thought there might be some kind of plastic on the shaft so I didn't put it in with the rest of the parts. Also, should the switch be in the normal or closed position during usage? Accessories, Boat Marine Battery Chargers, Shop check out the. Ski, Wakeboard Wells, Toilet & Waste My Yamaha is a 1999 and I've never had a problem with the Prime Start and I have the impression they're pretty trouble-free. Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 2000. I did not take float off. Not sure how many there are per carb. Oars, Wakeboard, Wakesurf & Various certifications obtainable during the course as well. I WILL ALSO SAY THAT IT SEEMS NOT TO BE RUNNING PERFECT. Distribution, ProMariner ProNautic Motor is Yamaha 50 hp 2 stroke. Maps | for Sale, Buy A 1752 lowe with a tunnel hull. As for the EES, like I said the only part I did not change was the body that little metal check valves are on. Anchor Box Anchors, Fishing Rod & Reel Accessories, Big Jon Deals, Electrical Smoke I have the fast idle lever down. Pumps, Marine Pump Replacement You are invited to join our public Boat Repair Forum to seek assistance from other members. Supplies, Boston Whaler, 1972-1993, When I pump the primer bulb, is it causing a flooding issue? Sender And/Or Coolant Temp. AN Guide, Boat Maintenance, Boat Cleaners & CREATE How else would it have came undone like I found when I took the EES apart? by Lil' Blue Rude 18 Jun 2015, 19:53, Post The only thing I see that I am not sure about is the "in" check valve. Tackle Boxes, Fishing Bait & Terminal All rights reserved. Cable, Marine Batteries & & Circuit Insurance, Boat Thanks in advance for your help. Switches, Shore Power & AC Tops, Other Would running the motor with the emergency valve on "open" (and I am assuming a very rich fuel mixture) for 70 hours cause any engine damage? Zincs, Generator Starters, Marine Solar Power The one thing I questioned about the EES body was that the nut that came loose does not have the hex shape mold for the nut like the other one does. Blocks, Marine Protection, Dock Storage & Just a possibility that I've run into in the past: Sometimes the insulation on the wires coming from the stator or timing base under the flywheel can get worn through or cracked. Covers, Other You may also visit the Boat Motor Manuals section of our site to obtain a service manual. So I decided to replace all gaskets and check valves and prime start assembly. When you open the throttle, the stator and timing base move. Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features! I recently bought a 2004 50TLRC for my flats boat. Bullet Skimmer, Paint and Ropes, Boat Boarding, Paddles & Seats, Offshore Boat Acessories, Fishing Outriggers & Downs, Couplers, Mounts, by Lil' Blue Rude 19 Jun 2015, 12:15, Post They set it in the "closed" position after I took it in. Harware, Marine Nuts, Bolts, & Products, Carbon Monoxide & Rollers, Boat Trailer Sockets, Marine Electrical by gabeskillzz05 15 Jun 2015, 11:13, Post Lights, Boat Trailer Alright guys, sorry it has been awhile, but I am still having the same problem. Hardware, Boat Seats by I took the EES off and found one of the nuts holding one of the check valve had came off. Login, Boats Deals, Boat Seats Biminis, View I AM HAVING TO START (first start of the day) YAMAHA 40HP OUTBOARD WITH THE EMERGENCY ENRICHMENT LEVER IN THE EMERGENCY POSITION. Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. No it is not normal, should start properly in the normal position. Boat Gel Coat - Spectrum Color, Pumps and Kits, Boat Trailer Combos, Fishing Tools & Parts, Wash Down check valves not doing their job means they are not working properly. Covers, Boat Shrink Wrap It's easy to knock the valve open; I'm sure a lot of people do it when using the Schrader valve. Winches, Boat Motor Supports & Tops, Bimini Top Meters, Marine Electrical Panels Racks, Fish Finders, Sounders 1998 model 50ejrw with jet drive. What is it causing for me not to be able to start in normal position? 16' 42" Blazer SS with a custom short shaft 60/40 Evinrude. Rafts, Paddle Holder, Anchor & Dock Acessories, Fish Cleaning Instruments, VHF Radios & by JoshKeller 15 Jun 2015, 00:11, Post If you have any questions or would like more information, contact Continuing Education at 910.938.6294 or coned@coastalcarolina.edu. Tables, Minn Kota This page was generated at 1 minute ago. Forums, Find Parts, Boat Tubing & I put it back on, but still having same issue. Maybe that check valve not being sealed all the way is causing it. by gabeskillzz05 19 Jun 2015, 09:22, Post Foundation. Professionals. That should let you know whether it's in the carb or do to electronics. Boats, Propeller Parts & I am starting to think that it should be adjusted. I've owned 12 Yami's over the years, but this is the smallest HP I've had. Boat Repair, Boat Paint & Dollies, SportsStuff Great Big Finally got this problem fixed. The Right Fit, Shop By You should not be posting on someones old thread, start a new one with all your info, Copyright 2000 - 2022, Outdoor Network LLC. Deals, Pumps & Plumbing Maintenance, Pumps and JavaScript is disabled. 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Hardware, Boat Seat Hardware, Marine Financing, Iboats It's a fully automatic "Prime Start" fuel mixture enrichening device used on carbed motors. Rails, Marine Tools & Tool Been putting together my new to me duck boat the past couple months and finally got it in the water this weekend. Deals, Trailering My question is what is the purpose of the emergency enrichment lever- and why is it only on the smaller HP motors? True. Bilge Pump, Tires, Rims, & Hub PFDs, Roof Racks, Carriers, It definitely needed replacing. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Hardware, Boat Trailer Systems, Lowrance Hook2-4 GPS Have a question about your motor? Thanks for the help, I will check the wiring and order a carb rebuild kit awhile. Motors, Fishing Downriggers & All, Boat Bimini